Day 15 – We are headed to the Big House in Alert Bay where nations will gather and figure out how to protect wild salmon of the BC coast from salmon farms.
To the salmon farmers of this coast, I feel certain you too don’t want to destroy the wild salmon. So many of you have talked to me and told me of your concerns, of all the wild fish in the pens, the disgusting mess of dying and rotting fish at the bottom of the pens, of the disease. I know you know.
Government needs to protect you as this industry is removed from our waters, but you need to look at what is happening in Chile; the disease, drugs and algae blooms, what is happening in Norway with sea lice they can’t control, to know where this industry is headed in BC. It is a flash in the pan. It is the emperor with no clothes, it is dirty and it is time for it to leave our oceans so that we can salvage what is left and bring this coast back to life.
I see corruption and fraud and that only lasts for so long,before the scandal around this industry surfaces. For all you involved it is time to realize where you are standing.
The Federal Liberal Government will either step in this mess, or they will talk to me and others and understand how poorly this is being managed at the bureaucratic level, that they are not being properly briefed. There have been shenanigans from day one. Salmon farming in ocean net pens is not a good fit within the Constitution of Canada as no one can privatize ocean spaces or own salmon in the ocean. The industry is on an aggressive push to grow here in beautiful BC as their industry falls into deeper trouble biologically and politically in Norway and Chile.
I am grateful for the opportunity to receive guidance of the chiefs and elders and to be able to share what I have seen with the people in the Big House.
1 pm tomorrow starting at the government wharf in Alert Bay.
Thank you Alexandra for all your hard work in your uphill battle to bring the truth out. Your total devotion is next to none. I know fish farms in ocean waters are wrong, so do thousand others, only the misinformed and the ignorant would say otherwise. Keep up the good and ignore the naysayers as I’m sure you do.
Have you read any of the Cohen commision??
http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/blog/cohen-commission-friday-august-26-2011
Try reading it, it may wake you up!
You too Magnus
Keep up the outstanding work Alex! Thank you, thank you, thank you!
Opps last link was bad
http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/blog/cohen-commission-friday-august-26-2011
Read this tonight in the Cohen report
Impacts of salmon farms
on Fraser River sockeye
salmon: results of the
Dill investigation
Once the Fraser sockeye exit the Discovery Islands and enter Johnstone Strait they pass by the several entrances to the Broughton Archipelago, another major fish farm area on the mainland side. There is no evidence to suggest that the sockeye enter the Broughton archipelago and pass by the many farms there,
Why does Ms. Morton insist otherwise
“There is no evidence to suggest that the sockeye enter the Broughton archipelago and pass by the many farms there” — which volume? what page? Not to be found in Volume 1, 2, or 3.
Where exactly do you find these words in the Cohen Report?
Are these your summary words of Cohen? Why not name your source, and page?
The following is indeed found in Vol 2, p. 2 of Ch. 1, but it is in a chart of the titles of technical reports, therefore a technical report, and NOT Justice Cohen’s words, nor part of his conclusions:
“Impacts of salmon farms on Fraser River sockeye salmon: results of the Dill investigation”
I wonder how you think the Fraser Sockeye actually get to the Pacific Ocean after swimming into Georgia Strait and through the Discovery Islands northwards. Perhaps you know of a route across Vancouver Island whereby those salmon can avoid the Broughton in order to get to the Pacific? Or maybe you think the Fraser Salmon can take all the channels without Atlantic salmon feedlots on them and decide on a way through as we humans could if we didn’t want to pass a farm on our way. I don’t know the area well enough to say whether this is possible or not. Take a look at the map & see if you can find such a route.
Sorry thought I had
http://www.farmfreshsalmon.org/blog/cohen-commission-friday-august-26-2011
At the bottom of the 5 key findings
Read the full report here button, a pdf 125 pages, the Noakes report.
This “technical report project 5 and others is how the information of the Cohen report was created. I can not share the screen capture but go to the link and see the official stamp of the Cohen commision on the papers. It forms the report, just have a look.
Volume 3 chapter 2 page 21 8 lines down, right had column.
Hope this helps to displace the mites you hear, reading the truth can be very enlightening
The problem is not with the adult fish returning to their home rivers to spawn, the problem is with the young fish leaving the river for the ocean and being forced to swim past, and be attracted to the lights and food of the salmon farms where they become infected at a very vulnerable age, ensuring that they don’t reach adulthood.
More from the Cohen commision
possible and likely that some fish escape undetected (referred to as leakage) but the extent and magnitude of this problem is difficult to estimate. However, farm production is tightly regulated as a condition of licence and it is likely that large discrepancies in inventory as a result of leakage would be obvious and detected during harvest and mandatory reporting. The debate over this issue has been ongoing and Morton and Volpe (2002) provided a case study where they argue that the number of Atlantic salmon reported escaped for one incident in 2000 was significantly in error (underestimated). There are, however, serious flaws in their study as they used a voluntary census (with all of the associated biases and statistical inadequacies) with no obvious means of validating their (VHF radio) responses and combined these data with other non-random samples to make their case. It is entirely likely (almost certainly) that a number of fish in their study were double-counted (or counted multiple times) and consequently their results are statistically unreliable at best. These types of assessments are neither useful nor helpful from a public or scientific perspective (Hilborn 2006). The debate over the accuracy of escape numbers is likely to continue and efforts by industry and government should continue to improve the quality of these estimates and mandatory reporting.
More from the Cohen commision
There are too many case studies to discuss in detail and it’s not a particularly useful exercise since they are in essence speculation about the impacts of sea lice from salmon farms on wild and hatchery Pacific salmon in the absence of sea lice data from the farms (data which were made available for this project). However, one study is worth mention as it and a number of related papers highlight some important issues and problems. Krkosek et al. (2007a) proposed a model that predicted the collapse of pink salmon in the Broughton Archipelago within a few generations due to sea lice from salmon farms. In doing so, they used some questionable assumptions such as farms being the predominant source of sea lice, they excluded important information such as pink salmon production from a key river in this area, and selectively viewed a portion of the data using one of the highest pink salmon returns on record for their reference point ignoring important information including historical patterns of returns (an important perspective). As a result, their assessment and conclusions were significantly skewed (biased) and were not credible. Krkosek et al. (2007a) were correctly criticized for these serious errors and omissions and an extensive exchange of views took place through a series of papers (Brooks and Jones 2008; Krkosek et al. 2008; Krkosek and Hilborn 2011; Riddell et al. 2008). The original predictions of a total collapse of pink salmon populations was subsequently tempered (Krkosek et al. 2009; Morton et al. 2011) and eventually (not surprisingly) Krkosek et al. (2007a) were proven to be wrong. There have been strong returns of pink salmon to the Broughton in recent years and a credible assessment using sea lice data from fish farms and other information showed no significant relationship between sea lice on fish farms and pink salmon survival (Marty et al. 2011). Speculation can be useful to stimulate discussion and an exchange of views but considerable caution should be used when it forms the basis of your ‘model’ or conclusions as it does in many of the cases studies to date. The data are often noisy (in a statistical sense), the relationships are often weak or not well defined, and the assumptions often consciously or unconsciously incorporate bias and all of these factors increase the likelihood that the conclusions will simply echo the assumptions.
The truth just keeps coming, when will you start to think?
Scott Davidson, it is usual when quoting a document to site the Volume (of three in Cohen’s case), and page where you’ve found your quotes, for every quote or part of a quote, and to use quotation marks.
I searched all three volumes for these randomly selected sentences you attribute to Cohen: “There are too many case studies to discuss in detail” and “As a result, their assessment and conclusions were significantly skewed” — No where did Cohen write these words in his report.
Do you mix and match your comments in with his? It seems to me you make no distinction between your own words and Cohen’s, certainly not by using quotation marks.
WHY do you not use quotation marks and the exact page and volume as any first year university student has learned how to do?
See above, sorry for the ommision.
mr.Davidson must be the newest fishfarm wordsmith paid very well to say whatever it takes,i guess dumping hydrogen peroxide in the ocean is all good too eh
Sorry Len not paid to do this just do not like lies and deception. Yes I like hydrogen peroxide. Use it on cuts, snort it up my nose if I feel a cold or? coming on. You do know that it’s just water with an extra oxygen atom H2O2, the extra oxygen molecule is unstable as one receptor is open and will react with virus, bacteria, pathogens, “oxidizing” them and then decomposes into pure water and oxygen.
I guess when you can afford to buy a government you can afford the best mouthpieces money can buy….don’t believe it happens,check out mt. Poley
If hydrogen peroxide is such a great thing for the environment why didn’t you idiots use it instead of slice and all the othe garbage you’ve dumped into the ocean trying to control sealice….I agree with Jon Wiersema from the next post,the more you say the more you look like a tool for the industry